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Post by Jason on Oct 22, 2016 14:49:12 GMT -5
No refugees here, but one of the Mexican drug cartels does export heroin directly into my city.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 14:49:32 GMT -5
You think conservatives are in favor of blindly harboring Syrian refugees and spreading them across the nation? Lol. This is the work of some of the most incompetent political morons in existence. i think the problem is bigger than one political party, or the other. you want to narrow it down, so you can mock the left because you don't agree with the policies. it runs deeper than conservative or liberal. but it's easier to try to push it all onto the group that you disagree with. What makes it run so deep? You either make Syrian refugees our problem or you don't. Let's say 22 of those refugees turns out to be upstanding, hardworking, good citizens of our fine nation. If 1 in the 23 goes out and kills 100 people in a terrorist attack, is it worth it? Some may say that's irrational fear, but is it, especially what just took place in that area?
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 14:51:58 GMT -5
No refugees here, but one of the Mexican drug cartels does export heroin directly into my city. Where don't they in SoCal?
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Post by Headhunter on Oct 22, 2016 14:55:31 GMT -5
No refugees here, but one of the Mexican drug cartels does export heroin directly into my city. Where don't they in SoCal? They probably do in most places, it's just a huge problem here. There really isn't much you can do about it either.
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Post by zombie on Oct 22, 2016 14:55:39 GMT -5
i think the problem is bigger than one political party, or the other. you want to narrow it down, so you can mock the left because you don't agree with the policies. it runs deeper than conservative or liberal. but it's easier to try to push it all onto the group that you disagree with. What makes it run so deep? You either make Syrian refugees our problem or you don't. Let's say 22 of those refugees turns out to be upstanding, hardworking, good citizens of our fine nation. If 1 in the 23 goes out and kills 100 people in a terrorist attack, is it worth it? Some may say that's irrational fear, but is it, especially what just took place in that area? the "runs so deep" thing was meant to be in general. lately, everything wrong (perceived or actual) has been blamed on the liberals. as for bringing unvetted citizens from a war torn region into our country. i disagree with it, regardless of what nation that happens to be. i err on the side of caution with this. i would create a safe zone for them, closer to their home, and provide aid for them there, if i had the means.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 15:02:16 GMT -5
Where don't they in SoCal? They probably do in most places, it's just a huge problem here. There really isn't much you can do about it either. I'm almost certain they do in most areas, but heroin is the worst to have a big problem with. It seems like it's mostly pot and ye-yo around here.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 15:13:46 GMT -5
What makes it run so deep? You either make Syrian refugees our problem or you don't. Let's say 22 of those refugees turns out to be upstanding, hardworking, good citizens of our fine nation. If 1 in the 23 goes out and kills 100 people in a terrorist attack, is it worth it? Some may say that's irrational fear, but is it, especially what just took place in that area? the "runs so deep" thing was meant to be in general. lately, everything wrong (perceived or actual) has been blamed on the liberals. as for bringing unvetted citizens from a war torn region into our country. i disagree with it, regardless of what nation that happens to be. i err on the side of caution with this. i would create a safe zone for them, closer to their home, and provide aid for them there, if i had the means. I getcha. I mean conservatives aren't without fault by any stretch to anyone. When the Bushes want us to go into war and shiz that many disagree with etc. But in this particular issue, this is total liberal bullshit. And I agree with you that that seems like the best way to appease both ends. We protect ours while showing compassion and give aid to a war torn shithole of people so archaic and not sophisticated enough to not be savages, perpetrated by dung beasts. We're in total agreement, zombs.
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Post by zombie on Oct 22, 2016 15:24:59 GMT -5
the "runs so deep" thing was meant to be in general. lately, everything wrong (perceived or actual) has been blamed on the liberals. as for bringing unvetted citizens from a war torn region into our country. i disagree with it, regardless of what nation that happens to be. i err on the side of caution with this. i would create a safe zone for them, closer to their home, and provide aid for them there, if i had the means. I getcha. I mean conservatives aren't without fault by any stretch to anyone. When the Bushes want us to go into war and shiz that many disagree with etc. But in this particular issue, this is total liberal bullshit. And I agree with you that that seems like the best way to appease both ends. We protect ours while showing compassion and give aid to a war torn shithole of people so archaic and not sophisticated enough to not be savages, perpetrated by dung beasts. We're in total agreement, zombs. lol. we don't seem to be in total agreement. you seem to be not wanting them in our country because they are muslim/arab. i don't want them in our country because they're from a region that is war torn, and we're a large part of that destabilization and war torn-ness.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 15:30:33 GMT -5
I getcha. I mean conservatives aren't without fault by any stretch to anyone. When the Bushes want us to go into war and shiz that many disagree with etc. But in this particular issue, this is total liberal bullshit. And I agree with you that that seems like the best way to appease both ends. We protect ours while showing compassion and give aid to a war torn shithole of people so archaic and not sophisticated enough to not be savages, perpetrated by dung beasts. We're in total agreement, zombs. lol. we don't seem to be in total agreement. you seem to be not wanting them in our country because they are muslim/arab. i don't want them in our country because they're from a region that is war torn, and we're a large part of that destabilization and war torn-ness. I agree with that too! In the interim, I say ship them to Canada or Seb's house, either will do. While we build safe houses in the region and shiz.
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Post by J-Mac Attack on Oct 22, 2016 15:31:15 GMT -5
i think the problem is bigger than one political party, or the other. you want to narrow it down, so you can mock the left because you don't agree with the policies. it runs deeper than conservative or liberal. but it's easier to try to push it all onto the group that you disagree with. What makes it run so deep? You either make Syrian refugees our problem or you don't. Let's say 22 of those refugees turns out to be upstanding, hardworking, good citizens of our fine nation. If 1 in the 23 goes out and kills 100 people in a terrorist attack, is it worth it? Some may say that's irrational fear, but is it, especially what just took place in that area? This is where I am conflicted. The Jews were turned away by everyone, which pisses me off, but I totally get what you're saying.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 15:41:33 GMT -5
What makes it run so deep? You either make Syrian refugees our problem or you don't. Let's say 22 of those refugees turns out to be upstanding, hardworking, good citizens of our fine nation. If 1 in the 23 goes out and kills 100 people in a terrorist attack, is it worth it? Some may say that's irrational fear, but is it, especially what just took place in that area? This is where I am conflicted. The Jews were turned away by everyone, which pisses me off, but I totally get what you're saying. Well, I don't know what time period you're talking perse, but if I follow, that was way more so irrational fear/hatred towards the Jews, they weren't roaming around committing tons of terrorist attacks. I mean you guys killed Jesus, but that was years ago and most let that shit slide.
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Post by J-Mac Attack on Oct 22, 2016 15:47:03 GMT -5
This is where I am conflicted. The Jews were turned away by everyone, which pisses me off, but I totally get what you're saying. Well, I don't know what time period you're talking perse, but if I follow, that was way more so irrational fear/hatred towards the Jews, they weren't roaming around committing tons of terrorist attacks. I mean you guys killed Jesus, but that was years ago and most let that shit slide. Lol! Good point.
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Post by Jason on Oct 22, 2016 15:53:20 GMT -5
They probably do in most places, it's just a huge problem here. There really isn't much you can do about it either. I'm almost certain they do in most areas, but heroin is the worst to have a big problem with. It seems like it's mostly pot and ye-yo around here. Heroine and meth are bad here.
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Post by J-Mac Attack on Oct 22, 2016 15:56:12 GMT -5
I'm almost certain they do in most areas, but heroin is the worst to have a big problem with. It seems like it's mostly pot and ye-yo around here. Heroine and meth are bad here. Same here, and we are the second least diverse city in America. In other words.....all white people.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Oct 22, 2016 16:14:09 GMT -5
I've seen a growing number of stories of heroin and meth killing white people. Fucking Mexico's systematic racism against us! Keep us down!
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Oct 23, 2016 10:02:45 GMT -5
They're people. Flip it and assume Trump wins and civil war breaks out. You guys are inundated by Redneck clan and neo-nazis armed and bombing you. I'd take in Americans even at risk of taking in the armed rednecks. Because the rest of you are people and deserve better. Plus the more kindness you show and humanity, the less ammo you give terrorists ideologically.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Oct 23, 2016 10:03:44 GMT -5
I've seen a growing number of stories of heroin and meth killing white people. Fucking Mexico's systematic racism against us! Keep us down! Ha. So this is how they bring down the wall. Can't believe you guys and Head in particular lives so near the bad hombres.
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Post by zombie on Oct 23, 2016 14:10:45 GMT -5
They're people. Flip it and assume Trump wins and civil war breaks out. You guys are inundated by Redneck clan and neo-nazis armed and bombing you. I'd take in Americans even at risk of taking in the armed rednecks. Because the rest of you are people and deserve better. Plus the more kindness you show and humanity, the less ammo you give terrorists ideologically. my reason would be that if the swedish/norwegian people attacked the east coast of america, and then another group started doing the same to the west coast, it wouldn't be the best idea for sweden to start taking in refugees, because some, maybe many, would likely feel that you were responsible for their situation. at least in part. it would be like stirring up a hornet's nest, and then trying to take it home with you. (although in my analogy,there would still be some peaceful hornets. )
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Oct 23, 2016 16:05:18 GMT -5
They're people. Flip it and assume Trump wins and civil war breaks out. You guys are inundated by Redneck clan and neo-nazis armed and bombing you. I'd take in Americans even at risk of taking in the armed rednecks. Because the rest of you are people and deserve better. Plus the more kindness you show and humanity, the less ammo you give terrorists ideologically. my reason would be that if the swedish/norwegian people attacked the east coast of america, and then another group started doing the same to the west coast, it wouldn't be the best idea for sweden to start taking in refugees, because some, maybe many, would likely feel that you were responsible for their situation. at least in part. it would be like stirring up a hornet's nest, and then trying to take it home with you. (although in my analogy,there would still be some peaceful hornets. ) But what better way to show that you do not want to be responsible for the situation, and that you are not the reason for the problem, but rather the solution. More education about what happened, more integration, more kindness shown, the more people from there are going to start saying "these people are good people. They should not be harmed" and tell others like them. The more hornets you can bring home and make peaceful hornets, the less violent hornets there are going to be. Will there always be angry hornets, probably. Can you guarantee that you'll be safe from them no matter what? no you cannot. And that's key to me. There will be attacks, I'm sure, both on US soil and here in Europe. There's no way to stop every dick with a shitty plan from doing some harm to innocents. But if that is allowed to then turn us into racist, xenophobic, generally unhelpful and unfriendly nation states, then frankly the terrorists have won already. We're better than that. We have to be, and we have to show that we are better than that.
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Post by zombie on Oct 23, 2016 16:15:30 GMT -5
my reason would be that if the swedish/norwegian people attacked the east coast of america, and then another group started doing the same to the west coast, it wouldn't be the best idea for sweden to start taking in refugees, because some, maybe many, would likely feel that you were responsible for their situation. at least in part. it would be like stirring up a hornet's nest, and then trying to take it home with you. (although in my analogy,there would still be some peaceful hornets. ) But what better way to show that you do not want to be responsible for the situation, and that you are not the reason for the problem, but rather the solution. More education about what happened, more integration, more kindness shown, the more people from there are going to start saying "these people are good people. They should not be harmed" and tell others like them. The more hornets you can bring home and make peaceful hornets, the less violent hornets there are going to be. Will there always be angry hornets, probably. Can you guarantee that you'll be safe from them no matter what? no you cannot. And that's key to me. There will be attacks, I'm sure, both on US soil and here in Europe. There's no way to stop every dick with a shitty plan from doing some harm to innocents. But if that is allowed to then turn us into racist, xenophobic, generally unhelpful and unfriendly nation states, then frankly the terrorists have won already. We're better than that. We have to be, and we have to show that we are better than that. is it racist, xenophobic, unhelpful, unfriendly to help to construct a safe place within the region for people affected by war, and then also giving those people aid? is that wrong? first, it doesn't uproot them and force them into a place that they don't have much in common with. it is closer to home, geographically, and thus more comfortable, likely. (aside from being nearer to a war torn region)
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