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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 10:34:44 GMT -5
We are at the point where either people decide to step up and take over HMF or it is going to be dead for good. The role I had for many years I simply can no longer do.
It is time to quit talking and start doing or let it go. This forum is going to die of attrition as well because it is not going to gain new members. If no one cares, so be it. It is just kinda mind blowing to me that we would do tournaments and create content for a free proboard that no one will ever see.
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Post by JigsawX on Apr 25, 2017 16:09:17 GMT -5
I was under the impression that much of the traffic issue would be solved once we got a new site up (if that was still the plan). Obviously, this is something we need to discuss.
I'm not in the know about what our plans are, and I agree, we need to come to a consensus and get it done. However, I'm personally not overly annoyed and/or bothered at being a more insular community - sure, we need new members, and yes, we need more activity, but I think what drives discussions will mainly be the core group we have, even if we pulled new members in.
The point is, that while I agree we need to make a new site (if that's what we were going for) and have content for users enjoyment (reviews, blogs, what-have-you), I don't personally think that staying on a free proboard will kill HMF. The members that we have are pretty consistent, and though some may not post for long periods, I think that mostly, the big names keep coming back. So are we growing? No, to grow, we need to have a new site. But I don't think we're dying either. I think we're stagnant, and while not positive, I don't know if that's necessarily negative.
Just my views.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 16:20:18 GMT -5
Have not added a single new member since being here.
Imagine opening a store in the middle of nowhere, no signs, no advertising, no drive by traffic. Sure, your friends and family stop by, but they just buy the same products, so you start cutting back your inventory. When people do stop in, there is little to see.
It has been over a year. I said I had a window to help a couple months ago and basically got yawns. Without initiative, it is as good as dead.
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Post by JigsawX on Apr 25, 2017 16:28:19 GMT -5
Depends on your definition of dead. If zombie stopped coming here, if Jason stopped coming, if Ava, Head, D, Dream, and J-mac stopped posting, then HMF would be dead.
Stagnant isn't dead in my eyes.
Regardless, I do agree that we need to figure out what we're doing and try to get it done. It's quite possible that we're becoming complacent, which is a major hassle we have to overcome to move forward.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 17:41:11 GMT -5
Have not added a single new member since being here. Imagine opening a store in the middle of nowhere, no signs, no advertising, no drive by traffic. Sure, your friends and family stop by, but they just buy the same products, so you start cutting back your inventory. When people do stop in, there is little to see. It has been over a year. I said I had a window to help a couple months ago and basically got yawns. Without initiative, it is as good as dead. I asked you for help with servers/hosts as I wasn't clear on that but then you went offline again. At least that is how I saw it. What would be good is to understand if we are intending to remain a forum-based group in the main or not as that might drive the direction we go in.
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Post by Reign in Blood on Apr 25, 2017 17:50:04 GMT -5
We decided that phpBB was worth a shot for the forum software, and then talks about the host hit a wall with some potential ones and then died, presumably because most of us know fuckall about that end.
What do you mean by forum-based group or not? You talking turning into some new wave social media shit like twitter or summat?
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 17:56:03 GMT -5
We decided that phpBB was worth a shot for the forum software, and then talks about the host hit a wall with some potential ones and then died, presumably because most of us know dick about that end. What do you mean by forum-based group or not? You talking turning into some new wave social media shit like twitter or summat? It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?!
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Post by J-Mac Attack on Apr 25, 2017 18:10:05 GMT -5
Although, in some ways, I like this close knit unit and that we all have a good feel for each other's personalities, I would love to be more available to the public. New blood, whether good or bad, makes things more interesting. I mean, MX is one of the newer cats on the board, and we wouldn't have found him (or he found us) if not for being public. There are a lot of us on here that were not on IMDB.
I know Laz even said he would help finance. Which was way cool of him. I absolutely have no idea about this shit. I wish I could help more. Foo is right...we need to shit or get off the pot.
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Post by J-Mac Attack on Apr 25, 2017 18:12:57 GMT -5
We decided that phpBB was worth a shot for the forum software, and then talks about the host hit a wall with some potential ones and then died, presumably because most of us know dick about that end. What do you mean by forum-based group or not? You talking turning into some new wave social media shit like twitter or summat? It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! Mike Brown got rid of the official NFL Bengals board 2 years ago. One of the members took it upon himself to keep it alive and hosted the forum. We have just as many members today as we did 10 years ago. Maybe I can get some advice from him?
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Post by Reign in Blood on Apr 25, 2017 18:21:18 GMT -5
We decided that phpBB was worth a shot for the forum software, and then talks about the host hit a wall with some potential ones and then died, presumably because most of us know dick about that end. What do you mean by forum-based group or not? You talking turning into some new wave social media shit like twitter or summat? It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! I thought about that too when IMDb pulled the plug, seemingly with little care to the blow that was to many people. But you also have to take in mind the money they were spending employing people to moderate and maintain, what, millions of pages/threads? And they're also paying people to do that with all the other social media. Like you it's not my scene, I'm not on the pulse of social media nor if message boards are going the way of the Dodo. For latter, my knowledge and experience would tell me yes, as the one I frequent and love the most is stagnant out on a life preserver, the one I started with and still popped into just closed it's doors, and the other two I supported are dead or close to (Horror Yearbook and Fight-Evil, Jig can confirm FE's status more so). While not having the answers and just shooting from the hip, I think I speak for most in saying, yes, we want to continue the forum group approach, and yes, integrating these other social media aspects that kids love these days to drive traffic. To the whole Who, What, Where, When, Why, How? approach, I can only answer Why in that that is what seems to drive and addict people these days. And all I'm saying is, if we integrate a snapchat feature and some fucked new member flips his wig and kills his whole family uploading it on our site for 56 hours before one of us takes it down... I'm blaming zombie.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 18:24:43 GMT -5
We decided that phpBB was worth a shot for the forum software, and then talks about the host hit a wall with some potential ones and then died, presumably because most of us know dick about that end. What do you mean by forum-based group or not? You talking turning into some new wave social media shit like twitter or summat? It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! Come on man. You aren't smarter than I was like ten years ago? . You just start doing and learning. My suggestion is that if no one wants to put in the effort for something else, we simply migrate this board to the HMF.com URL. At least you have a searchable URL and something that could be promoted or even found accidentally. There is certainly a place for forums in the world. In fact, a huge opportunity opened when IMDb closed.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 18:29:50 GMT -5
Btw, if someone steps up and pays me more than I can make selling houses or slinging burgers, I guarantee HMF could be made into a 5,000 member forum. We were never ruthless towards growth before, but if someone wanted to, they could do that.
Run it, monetize it, make it free, make it fun. I don't care but don't let it rot into nothing.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 18:36:46 GMT -5
Reach out to people from the past if we need to. Call in a favor from Wil or Slaughter. The help will come if we ask.
I know this sounds incredibly hypocritical since I disappeared to run Crave, but I always viewed my time running this place as just taking my turn while others could come and go. If I had the time, I would. Right now, I am trying to get my girlfriend here, opening a restaurant, managing the care of my aunt 24/7 in my home, while overseeing about 800 man hours of labor per month in the food business. I am still willing to help.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 18:42:49 GMT -5
It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! Come on man. You aren't smarter than I was like ten years ago? . You just start doing and learning. My suggestion is that if no one wants to put in the effort for something else, we simply migrate this board to the HMF.com URL. At least you have a searchable URL and something that could be promoted or even found accidentally. There is certainly a place for forums in the world. In fact, a huge opportunity opened when IMDb closed. I think we got one of the two pieces. We've agreed phpBB is the way forward for a forum software. We now need a host. Somebody who knows or wants to know can sort that and we have a real forum at a real website. Move that to HMF.com and we are under way. Help on Hosting is wanted. I think less people line forums. But it's not none. So we can give that a go.
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Post by Havok on Apr 25, 2017 18:44:18 GMT -5
[bold]Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. [/bold] Do you ever mention the radio show to those 3.5k followers?
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 18:45:01 GMT -5
Reach out to people from the past if we need to. Call in a favor from Wil or Slaughter. The help will come if we ask. I know this sounds incredibly hypocritical since I disappeared to run Crave, but I always viewed my time running this place as just taking my turn while others could come and go. If I had the time, I would. Right now, I am trying to get my girlfriend here, opening a restaurant, managing the care of my aunt 24/7 in my home, while overseeing about 800 man hours of labor per month in the food business. I am still willing to help. I can find slaughtered on Twitter. But I have no contact with Wil. Never really did. The others I do have on Facebook but it strikes me as likely they won't be back any time soon. But if we want a reach out programme we can try that.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 18:45:47 GMT -5
Do you ever mention the radio show to those 3.5k followers? I have not to date. Mainly because I do t tweet much, mainly retweet and follow back as we get shout outs.
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Post by Havok on Apr 25, 2017 18:49:03 GMT -5
It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! Come on man. You aren't smarter than I was like ten years ago? . You just start doing and learning. My suggestion is that if no one wants to put in the effort for something else, we simply migrate this board to the HMF.com URL. At least you have a searchable URL and something that could be promoted or even found accidentally. There is certainly a place for forums in the world. In fact, a huge opportunity opened when IMDb closed.I think a good portion of the IMDB horror crowd jumped over and started using /r/horror on Reddit.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 18:49:53 GMT -5
Reddit. There's one that people use that I just don't understand at fucking all. That could be an avenue.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 18:55:54 GMT -5
Come on man. You aren't smarter than I was like ten years ago? . You just start doing and learning. My suggestion is that if no one wants to put in the effort for something else, we simply migrate this board to the HMF.com URL. At least you have a searchable URL and something that could be promoted or even found accidentally. There is certainly a place for forums in the world. In fact, a huge opportunity opened when IMDb closed. I think we got one of the two pieces. We've agreed phpBB is the way forward for a forum software. We now need a host. Somebody who knows or wants to know can sort that and we have a real forum at a real website. Move that to HMF.com and we are under way. Help on Hosting is wanted. I think less people line forums. But it's not none. So we can give that a go. What is the hold up with the host? Are there not many places that host those forums where you can use your own URL? I am guessing some may even have single button install. Well, it is more than the ten regulars we have here. Sorry to be so blunt, but damn, that is what it must take.
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