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Post by J-Mac Attack on Apr 25, 2017 18:56:40 GMT -5
Reddit. There's one that people use that I just don't understand at fucking all. That could be an avenue. Amber is really into Reddit. I just don't get it. I went on it a couple of times and got confused. Message boards are my safe places.
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Post by DancesWithWerewolves on Apr 25, 2017 18:58:45 GMT -5
Reddit is a giant clusterfuck.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 18:59:55 GMT -5
Come on man. You aren't smarter than I was like ten years ago? . You just start doing and learning. My suggestion is that if no one wants to put in the effort for something else, we simply migrate this board to the HMF.com URL. At least you have a searchable URL and something that could be promoted or even found accidentally. There is certainly a place for forums in the world. In fact, a huge opportunity opened when IMDb closed.I think a good portion of the IMDB horror crowd jumped over and started using /r/horror on Reddit. People go where the relationships are and where the conversation is good. I want to know what Reign, Seb, Zombie, Havok, etc thinks about shit. Then have others chime in. That is the experience, not the type of forum software, etc.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 19:00:49 GMT -5
I think we got one of the two pieces. We've agreed phpBB is the way forward for a forum software. We now need a host. Somebody who knows or wants to know can sort that and we have a real forum at a real website. Move that to HMF.com and we are under way. Help on Hosting is wanted. I think less people line forums. But it's not none. So we can give that a go. What is the hold up with the host? Are there not many places that host those forums where you can use your own URL? I am guessing some may even have single button install. Well, it is more than the ten regulars we have here. Sorry to be so blunt, but damn, that is what it must take. I honestly don't know how the interaction between host and website works or what we'd need to install/update. Nor how to assign URLs etc. it's all alien to me and this daunting. If it's a 5-minute job then it's a shame we didn't get going sooner. The other real issue is that I don't have a laptop/desktop I can use. It's not something I can do on a Government issued, highly secured computer. Which is what I've got currently.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 19:02:07 GMT -5
The other part of the hosting wasaround censorship, content monitoring, and size.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 19:17:15 GMT -5
Has anyone looked up "phpbb hosting" on google?
The one thing I would caution is looking really quick, it appears to be open source. That is a double edged sword in many ways. It may require more effort to maintain than anyone is willing to give.
Everyone here knows how I feel about censorship, but at the point where we have been on a fucking proboard for a year, I think we have to be realistic.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 19:23:43 GMT -5
Btw, I am not picking on anyone with this. Just saying if we wanted it, it would happen. I am a retarded monkey slapping keys and we kept the old forum running with many issues over a span of ten years.
It can be learned if people want to learn. "I don't know how" in 2017 is a pretty lame excuse. "I don't want to" is perfectly fine.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 25, 2017 19:24:06 GMT -5
I tend to end up in circles about the whole thing on and off. Open source = free. But free = no support. But also less oversight or control by outsiders. And is increasingly supported by active user groups.
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Post by Foo on Apr 25, 2017 19:32:58 GMT -5
I tend to end up in circles about the whole thing on and off. Open source = free. But free = no support. But also less oversight or control by outsiders. And is increasingly supported by active user groups. Open source simply means the code is available to all for editing. It gives you more options and actually allows more people to fix your problems. The downside is that bots and viruses are easy to create and will seek out the forum. Wowbb was open source. It was small so it was relatively untouched by scammers, the problem was that it was too small for people to continue supporting. The publisher moved on to other things and the people creating fixes moved on after awhile.
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Post by DancesWithWerewolves on Apr 25, 2017 19:41:11 GMT -5
When I thought I had the Adobe suite a few months ago, which included Dreamweaver, I was going to put it on myself to make a whole new site from scratch then worry about the host after the fact. But alas, my pirated key code wasn't working and they want that shit on subscription now There would've been a long time learning curve of working the program, so paying while learning month-to-month would've been a huge pain in my ass and wallet
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Post by JigsawX on Apr 26, 2017 1:32:34 GMT -5
It's not my scene. But I guess the question I'm asking, without judgement, is whether there is still life in forums? IMDb put theirs down. I've seen other sites who are less about forums and more about other things like Twitter, Facebook, and social media, others are shifting to blogs, blogs, YouTube channels, snaptchats. I don't know that I get it, but if the goal is a website, is it a forum? If so, what can make that work? Sure we dont advertise for this spare board. But would we with a forum, and if so how? Twitter we now have 3.5k followers and I run that with little effort and ease of access. Should we be doing more with these ideas as an integrated approach. And does any fucker understand hosting?! and the other two I supported are dead or close to (Horror Yearbook and Fight-Evil, Jig can confirm FE's status more so). FE's an interesting case. When the site originally went down, unlike HMF, we had no backup, and so there were years in which none of us talked to each others. When the site was brought back up, within two months, almost every member who was worth a damn came back (actually, that in itself, I thought was pretty inspiring). The problem was that a few members, given the long break between the forum being down, had lost interest in either forums or horror films (to some extent). I think it'd mildly fair to say, at least when we came back from the long-ass hiatus, I was by far the member who watched the most horror. Still, we had the core group, but the difference is that after such a long break from the forums, people didn't necessarily check FE first thing in the morning - it was more like a "see if there are any new posts, post a reply or two, and leave" type deal. I don't know about you guys, but at the very least, even when I don't post, I'm on HMF a large chunk of time that I'm on my computer. All of this said, Chucky (webmaster of FE) spoke to me about three weeks ago (well, me and another member, Shadow), and has plans still of revamping FE and advertising/networking, and try to make it a community worth coming to every day. I'll be doing what I can to help them out once we fully know what the game-plan is. Perhaps I'm an optimist, or perhaps I'm blinded by nostalgia, but I do believe it's possible for FE to come back from the dead with hard work, and if FE can do it, I certainly believe that we can. I'm not a computer guy, and at this moment, I honestly don't feel I have the time to learn about hosting/html/hbpp. I'm entirely open to providing content once we get to that stage (I had fun writing those two History of Horror posts on the blog-thing, and as I'm far better writer now, re-writing those wouldn't be an issue), but getting to that point will be a giant learning curve, which I can deal with if need be, as long as people use small words to describe what they need from me.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 26, 2017 9:50:22 GMT -5
Worth creating two polls?
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Post by Foo on Apr 26, 2017 15:01:28 GMT -5
Worth creating two polls? Not really worth pursuing unless people are willing to put in the effort of keeping it alive.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 26, 2017 18:36:05 GMT -5
Worth creating two polls? Not really worth pursuing unless people are willing to put in the effort of keeping it alive. Stupid iPhone. Half my post seems to be missing. Should we create two polls? One, we can determine if people wish to go with phpBB, other forum software, proboards, paid for software etc or other. The other poll we discuss more broadly what people would like to see from a website etc so we know what to target. Unsure where that other stuff went when I posted. Phone being crap.
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Post by Foo on Apr 26, 2017 18:51:34 GMT -5
Not really worth pursuing unless people are willing to put in the effort of keeping it alive. Stupid iPhone. Half my post seems to be missing. Should we create two polls? One, we can determine if people wish to go with phpBB, other forum software, proboards, paid for software etc or other. The other poll we discuss more broadly what people would like to see from a website etc so we know what to target. Unsure where that other stuff went when I posted. Phone being crap. Again, pointless creating polls when there is no initiative to follow through. "Would you like cherries on your sundae?" "Yes!" "Okay, when someone shows up randomly to pass out free sundaes, let him know."
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Post by Reign in Blood on Apr 26, 2017 18:53:37 GMT -5
Your bluntness and smacks to the chin are fine, Foo, afterall you do it to liberals all the time, which I love. I think our biggest obstacle with this has been time, in which you know well and better than most. One thing I think you are undercutting is that no one wants to fuck this up either. A number of us were vetting hosts and looking into that and shit hit a wall, similar to your "open source" thing now etc. Things weren't aligning with the HMF way. And then, what is the "HMF way" for the future? All this social media shit drives me insane.
The major thing you said that hit home is that it's the experience, talking with all you magnificent motherfuckers is what makes it work, not the software or whatever. So you can go fuck yourself that anyone here wants to see it die.
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Post by Sebastian Taro Groth on Apr 26, 2017 19:06:49 GMT -5
If we just want to see where Free shit takes us, we already have proboards and the usual lot. But if we sink money into either hosts, software, both or other things then it needs to be the right thing. As Reign said, we don't want to lose it all and make it worse. At least here there's stasis for now.
Everyone wants to move forward but nobody wants to be st the wheel if we drive HMF off the cliff. That's the brutal truth.
Additionally, much like you, I know the main guys who shared "ownership" when you left were D, Reign and myself. All of us are not tech savvy with internet webpage design, all of us have jobs and thus we also don't just have time to devote to this if it'll be a challenge and that's the biggest rub. If the new setup needs hours of training and experimenting, it's unclear we have those hours in a near-term sense.
But that doesn't mean we don't care or want to move. Just being realistic about what is achievable.
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Post by Foo on Apr 26, 2017 21:31:09 GMT -5
If we just want to see where Free shit takes us, we already have proboards and the usual lot. But if we sink money into either hosts, software, both or other things then it needs to be the right thing. As Reign said, we don't want to lose it all and make it worse. At least here there's stasis for now. Everyone wants to move forward but nobody wants to be st the wheel if we drive HMF off the cliff. That's the brutal truth. Additionally, much like you, I know the main guys who shared "ownership" when you left were D, Reign and myself. All of us are not tech savvy with internet webpage design, all of us have jobs and thus we also don't just have time to devote to this if it'll be a challenge and that's the biggest rub. If the new setup needs hours of training and experimenting, it's unclear we have those hours in a near-term sense. But that doesn't mean we don't care or want to move. Just being realistic about what is achievable. Waiting for the perfect thing usually results in nothing, brmecayse there is no such thing as perfection. Again, you guys are far more intelligent and tech savvy than I was a decade ago. This does not have to be that complicated.
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Post by Foo on Apr 26, 2017 21:34:33 GMT -5
Your bluntness and smacks to the chin are fine, Foo, afterall you do it to liberals all the time, which I love. I think our biggest obstacle with this has been time, in which you know well and better than most. One thing I think you are undercutting is that no one wants to fuck this up either. A number of us were vetting hosts and looking into that and shit hit a wall, similar to your "open source" thing now etc. Things weren't aligning with the HMF way. And then, what is the "HMF way" for the future? All this social media shit drives me insane. The major thing you said that hit home is that it's the experience, talking with all you magnificent motherfuckers is what makes it work, not the software or whatever. So you can go fuck yourself that anyone here wants to see it die. Somebody has to kick this team in the ass! Divide and conquer. Step one - ask who is willing to contribute time and how much they are willing to give Step two - set a deadline Step three - put it into motion I am being 100% serious when I say this is a five hour job.
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Post by Foo on Apr 26, 2017 21:36:27 GMT -5
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